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Post by DigDeep on Apr 18, 2015 15:14:54 GMT
So we've all been discussing Splatoon's viability as a competitive game, LAN support, local tournies. But to every competitive communitiy there's two important things that need to be considered. How fun is the game to play (or how deep are the mechanics) and how fun is it to actually watch.
How do you feel Splatoon is going to fair in this regard? I'd imagine making interesting and exciting commentary is going to be kind of hard considering the nature of the game. Is watching teams going around spreading paint also all that exciting for the average viewer? I personally looove watching Splatoon gameplay, but I wonder if it will be that fun for the average consumer after it comes out.
I think the positive response to Splatoon so far shows good signs for the future, but just to consider and discuss since I think it's mostly taken for granted that yup everyone will love to watch this. What your opinion?
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Post by inyo on Apr 18, 2015 15:36:22 GMT
It's a vibrant, colourful game that's easy for the viewer to understand, so in that shallow definition it's going to be fun to watch for most people. The movement options alone make for a visually exciting experience.
Outright domination also seems pretty rare, at least in Turf War. Most of the games I've seen come down to the wire, which creates great tension and excitement. The ending part where you see the map and kinda have to guess what the outcome will be before Judd makes his call is also pretty dramatic.
Splat Zones seems to have more for potential commentators to latch on to, since it has a goal that is trickier to accomplish and perhaps has a bit more depth in terms of strategy (not that this takes away from Turf War, mind)
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Post by princeofkoopas on Apr 18, 2015 18:43:38 GMT
I couldn't actually focus and watch the Treehouse presentation on Splatoon (even though I was really trying) when they got past the single-player stuff.
...So probably not a great spectator sport.
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Post by setu on Apr 18, 2015 19:12:55 GMT
I couldn't actually focus and watch the Treehouse presentation on Splatoon (even though I was really trying) when they got past the single-player stuff. ...So probably not a great spectator sport. I agree that single-player probably won't be fun to spectate(unless it is an insane speed run or something), but the I feel like the faster pace the game, the more entertaining it is to watch, which Splatoon will fulfill. Splat zones will in no doubt be more entertaining to watch than turf war as well.
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Post by inyo on Apr 18, 2015 21:16:42 GMT
I couldn't actually focus and watch the Treehouse presentation on Splatoon (even though I was really trying) when they got past the single-player stuff. ...So probably not a great spectator sport. I agree that single-player probably won't be fun to spectate(unless it is an insane speed run or something), but the I feel like the faster pace the game, the more entertaining it is to watch, which Splatoon will fulfill. Splat zones will in no doubt be more entertaining to watch than turf war as well. Unless it's TOO fast, then nobody knows what on Earth is happening and thus doesn't care at all.
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Post by JP4464 on Apr 18, 2015 21:32:07 GMT
I agree that single-player probably won't be fun to spectate(unless it is an insane speed run or something), but the I feel like the faster pace the game, the more entertaining it is to watch, which Splatoon will fulfill. Splat zones will in no doubt be more entertaining to watch than turf war as well. Unless it's TOO fast, then nobody knows what on Earth is happening and thus doesn't care at all. Well it depends on the context. Competitive Super Smash Bros. Melee is LIGHTNING fast, but is still a great spectator sport, nonetheless. I think Splatoon has the capabilities of being a great spectator sport, and I'd like to see how the Squid-meta progresses.
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Post by setu on Apr 18, 2015 21:33:08 GMT
I agree that single-player probably won't be fun to spectate(unless it is an insane speed run or something), but the I feel like the faster pace the game, the more entertaining it is to watch, which Splatoon will fulfill. Splat zones will in no doubt be more entertaining to watch than turf war as well. Unless it's TOO fast, then nobody knows what on Earth is happening and thus doesn't care at all. Nah, I feel like a game really can't be too fast to watch. For example, like 7 years ago, I would watch competitive brawl, yes, competitive brawl, and I found it really entertaining to watch even though I had no idea wtf all of these crazy techs and such that were happening.
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Post by inyo on Apr 18, 2015 22:10:26 GMT
Unless it's TOO fast, then nobody knows what on Earth is happening and thus doesn't care at all. Nah, I feel like a game really can't be too fast to watch. For example, like 7 years ago, I would watch competitive brawl, yes, competitive brawl, and I found it really entertaining to watch even though I had no idea wtf all of these crazy techs and such that were happening. I would argue that MvC goes over the line somewhat into being so crazy that nothing really means anything because 7000 other things are happening at the same time. It's really more an issue with "how much is happening" rather than "how fast is this happening", I should have been more clear there. In terms of the ideal game speed for an audience, it's different for every game, even racing games. Imagine trying to spectate world record runs of FZERO without foreknowledge of why the car is flying 2000km/hr through the air and barely touching the track. As for spectating, it's also important to note the difference between players and audience and what each expects. The players know the game inside and out and thus want to see certain things, whereas an audience that doesn't know the intricacies will be looking for something different. It's like the difference between music for musicians and music for the general public. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive, but sometimes they are. Splatoon will be easy to watch for both audiences (hardcore players and just people in general) because of how easy it is to understand what's going on at any one time. The way the characters move around is by itself really entertaining, like a good cartoon. I think it will be easy to show the game off to a casual audience.
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Post by FunkyLobster on Apr 18, 2015 23:14:08 GMT
splatoon reminds me a lot of tf2, counter strike, and even cod4 in that the action itself is fast paced, but the meta is probably going to be really strategic and methodical neither of those games had trouble gaining a following and viewership, and although competitive tf2 is not what it was a few years ago and i don't even need to tell you the fate of modern warfare, counter strike is probably going to outlive the human race i am more concerned about how local tournaments are going to work as opposed to how fun it is to spectate. i honestly don't know anyone who thinks splatoon looks too boring to watch, although that is just anecdotal evidence that isn't really helpful either way, i think this games future is very promising, and im glad to participate in its community before its even been released
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Post by TheSpeedyMouse on Apr 19, 2015 0:22:51 GMT
I find it very fun to watch Turf War and Splat Zones Matches, with both being equally fun to watch for me. We all have our own tastes.
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Post by iDaylon on Apr 19, 2015 0:47:11 GMT
I can see it happening tbh. Time will tell however.
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Post by suavevillain on Apr 20, 2015 14:59:38 GMT
I think if people can watch cod splatoon has a fair chance depends how things turn out.
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Post by Xeiros on Apr 20, 2015 16:07:00 GMT
I couldn't actually focus and watch the Treehouse presentation on Splatoon (even though I was really trying) when they got past the single-player stuff....So probably not a great spectator sport. I agree that single-player probably won't be fun to spectate (unless it is an insane speed run or something), but the I feel like the faster pace the game, the more entertaining it is to watch, which Splatoon will fulfill. Splat zones will in no doubt be more entertaining to watch than turf war as well. This is why reading comprehension matters. You completely misunderstood the meaning of his first sentence which then caused you to do the same to his second as well. He said single player was easy for him to follow, but that everything else (online multiplayer included of course) wasn't. He's basically saying as the number of players increase his ability to focus on and thus follow and enjoy what's happening decreases just in far fewer words. He never once said anything about whether or not the single player would be fun to spectate. His entire post was merely about his inability to focus on actually watching the multiplayer by using a solo mode as a foundation for comparison. For him, it's not a good spectator sport because there was too much going on for him to be able to pay attention.
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Post by setu on Apr 20, 2015 22:35:20 GMT
I agree that single-player probably won't be fun to spectate (unless it is an insane speed run or something), but the I feel like the faster pace the game, the more entertaining it is to watch, which Splatoon will fulfill. Splat zones will in no doubt be more entertaining to watch than turf war as well. This is why reading comprehension matters. You completely misunderstood the meaning of his first sentence which then caused you to do the same to his second as well. He said single player was easy for him to follow, but that everything else (online multiplayer included of course) wasn't. He's basically saying as the number of players increase his ability to focus on and thus follow and enjoy what's happening decreases just in far fewer words. He never once said anything about whether or not the single player would be fun to spectate. His entire post was merely about his inability to focus on actually watching the multiplayer by using a solo mode as a foundation for comparison. For him, it's not a good spectator sport because there was too much going on for him to be able to pay attention. I appreciate you clearing things up, my bad. But you still didn't add any input to the discussion whatsoever. Yes, I can say lots of issues with some people's comments as well.
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